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Permalink Reply by Mike Lurz on August 13, 2010 at 5:49am

Grand MA...any number of reasons. Battery backup, set up options ergonomics, interaction/networking with other devices.

Permalink Reply by Matthew Vengilio on August 13, 2010 at 8:28am

The AVO Tiger. Check it out. http://www.avolites.org.uk/products/tigertouch.htm

Permalink Reply by Eric Bardes on August 13, 2010 at 9:05am

I still like Hog. The Hog iPC is a nice entry level board compatible with the entire ecosystem. If you're aiming fixtures you will love using a trackball to aim versus "etch-a-sketch" style of the hog1000.

Permalink Reply by Steven Hall on August 13, 2010 at 10:35am

I am a huge fan of the MA series of consoles. I program a lot on Hogs (2 and 3) , but have found that the MA can be laid out very similarly and also has a bunch of added features. The Hog 3 is an improvement and has a lot of the same feature of the MA too. It has great options for punting. (0-10s Live program option / Manual fade of cues / easy macros to clear out effects and cuelists/ and tons of room to spread out).

The Ease of setting up advanced features like macros, midi triggering, and networking is really good too. It can handle cued out shows well too with timing that is far superior and easier to use than the Hog. Also the Networking is the best I have found.

Physical hardware is very robust too

Permalink Reply by Allan Nathan on August 13, 2010 at 11:15am

In my book, Hogs are ok. I generally prefer the hog2 platform unless I'm doing a gaggle of LED's, in which case the Hog3 platform seems more appropriate.

The iPC I've used is slow, crashes a bunch, and feels cheaply made. Is there a good alternative to this? Are the Chamsys wings usable on concert and corporate?

How do Grandma light and micro work out? Are they ok?

Permalink Reply by cody stoltz on August 13, 2010 at 12:31pm

I want to say that I think its probably time for people to move on from the 2 considering highend just announced that The hog 2 will no longer be serviced because of issues trying to find the parts. I have had it hit and miss with Ipc's. I have been working with the Ma and Ma 2 and im not to big of a a fan of them yet all though I have just started using them. My consoles of choice Chamsys, Hog 3, Avo, Hog 2, Ma2 In that order.

Allan said:

In my book, Hogs are ok. I generally prefer the hog2 platform unless I'm doing a gaggle of LED's, in which case the Hog3 platform seems more appropriate.

The iPC I've used is slow, crashes a bunch, and feels cheaply made. Is there a good alternative to this? Are the Chamsys wings usable on concert and corporate?

How do Grandma light and micro work out? Are they ok?

Permalink Reply by Donald Scobie on August 15, 2010 at 10:52pm

Personally I love the Vista at our shop, of course I am the only one that likes that board. After that the Hog II and Hog IPC in Hog 3 mode. And Avo Pearl for sheer simplicity for fairs and festivals.

Permalink Reply by Larry Robbins on August 15, 2010 at 11:28pm

I am a huge fan of the Vista..... not only that the support I get from AC Lighting and Jands.. I do need to get back up to speed on the GMA I have to admit.. .there are just not enough Vistas out in Vegas yet...

When the Byron software realise comes out I know many more of you will take to the board....

Permalink Reply by Axel Sundbotten on August 24, 2010 at 5:24am

In my opinion GrandMA is at another level than the rest I have seen. A bit hard to get into, but if you take your time to break the codes you got everything you need to modify and build fixtures from scratch and make macroes and effects that work the way YOU want them to. The GrandMA2 software is "showready" now. I had a prewiew on beta 1.9.20 which will probably be released in September and it impressed me with some elegant graphical details and implementations suitable for theater designs. For me it is important that a lighting desk is maintaining good solutions for traditional dimmer/conventionals programming as well as movers, LEDs and mediaservers. Informative views, good keyboard layout with numerical keys and function buttons and most important: a relyable desk. I do not want to get stuck with a fancy "videomachine" intended to control LED backdrops and
flashing,gobochanging,moving and strobing instruments as you see everytime you watch a TV show.

Permalink Reply by Axel Sundbotten on August 24, 2010 at 5:32am

Hello Larry. I have 1 Vista S3 and 1 S1, but I seldom use them. Exept a few bug fixes they have not done anything to improve the Vista software since release 1.13. The excuse is that it it will all come with Byron, but I have lost my patient waiting for that. They could at least make a fix to that silly "arrange in grid" function where your presets are spread randomly and you have to set it up for every window.

Larry Robbins said:

I am a huge fan of the Vista..... not only that the support I get from AC Lighting and Jands.. I do need to get back up to speed on the GMA I have to admit.. .there are just not enough Vistas out in Vegas yet...

When the Byron software realise comes out I know many more of you will take to the board....

Permalink Reply by joe grant on August 26, 2010 at 10:36pm

i'm old school .. still like avo ! nothing like a bunch of faders n bumps to grab n go !! the effects engine is cool ! from the pearl to the diamond 4 !! the pearl is alotta bang for the buck ! an the diamond 4 can be 96 fader bump combo's all on 1 page ! all avo's have 2 bumps ! 1 add 1solo ! if you have 2 moving lite cues say 1 pan 1 tilt .. if you bring both up at once it COMBINES the moves ! and its differant depending on which 1 you bring up 1st !

Permalink Reply by terry schwartz on January 19, 2011 at 6:57am

i believe the ETC EOS Family is extremely inovative. This console can do anything & Everything. ok almost, no really... so user friendly....the ION is the EOS in a smaller package. get touch screens.

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