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Advice for room with nuthin but cans
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Permalink Reply by Brent Frison on -
Be creative! You have A LOT of firepower at your disposal. This was a standard and very effective kit for close to 30 years.
I can provide a plot for you - for a fee ;-)
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Permalink Reply by Michael Sorensen on
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how many electrics? circuits? cable and 2-fers available?
floor pockets?
FOH positions?
Cyc?
Trim heights for electrics?
you have more lights than a lot of venues I've worked at... time to play!
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Permalink Reply by Steven selbmann on
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Try focusing your pars symmetrically in various spreads and crosses. Tape spots on your stage that you want light and use those for your focus points. Group you fixtures in single, double and tri color combos. Save a handful with no color for parts in the songs that need some impact! You should get alot of variation with that many pars. Also if the can are on bars you can tilt them on angles from top of truss to bottom to improve the look. Use alot of haze and have fun!
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If your not gonna help the guy......why respond to his messgae?
Brent Frison said:Be creative! You have A LOT of firepower at your disposal. This was a standard and very effective kit for close to 30 years.
I can provide a plot for you - for a fee ;-)
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Permalink Reply by Auggie Hill on -
I would think in terms of groups of lights. Depending on the physical configuration of the cans, you might consider 5 groups of 3 or 3 groups of 5 across the stage. I suggest these numbers because you have 150 total. This would give you 10 different groupings symetrically across the stage. Again, depending on the physical layout/configuration of the cans.
Colors are totally up to you. I would definitely have at least one group with no gels for that high impact look. Use plenty of haze and maybe some fog depending on the type of band. This should give you some great looks with cool beams.
Have fun and enjoy this. Nothing quite like an old school production.
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Permalink Reply by Lori ALL BULBS on -
Don't just hang'em. Clue us in on what you are lighting. Death metal, zigzag down light, up light (front/back), cluster spots, audience blinders (back & sides). Even Fog or strobe used in the right way looks as good as anything Hollywood could produce on set. Musical, Video presentation different plot types ... and so on. For your all can plot, Gel Media is mucho importante'. Truecolor gel is excellent and about 5.50 a sheet. TRUEcolor Gel Your possibilities are endless. Your rig is the foundation of where pretty much all entertainment lighting comes from.
Thirty years ago our fore father's had nothing and created everything imaginable with just what you've got ... and then they wished for just a dozen cans more! This could be a lot of fun. Go for it!
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Permalink Reply by Rafael Mojica on -
look up a huey lewis show, the ld rocks and he mostly only uses par cans, u can do alot with just pars.....
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Permalink Reply by David Zachery on -
Huey Lewis or other 90's/80's bands...great idea! Thanks all for helping. The config is 3 rows of 30 each for front light & 2 bars of 30 each for back/curtain light. No haze or fog has been made available to me so that stinks. This venue gets all kinda of genres. This past weekend was a blues show so I kept colors dark with slow wash fades. Different cross sections is kinda what I was thinking so thanks for that advice. Any color mixing ideas??
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Permalink Reply by Brent Frison on
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Most colors will blend well together (red/yellow, magenta/green, congo/pink, etc), but try to keep it to only two colors at a time or it gets messy. You could also think in terms of 'cool' and 'hot' mixes. Be sure to adjust the intensity of each color within it's mix so one color doesn't overpower the other - congo/yellow is a good example. And stay away from red/green combo unless your doing an X-mas show.
I tend to think of color layouts as the shapes you would see from the sources. Think of lines of 2/3/4, blocks of 4, lines of 6, and my personal favorite - triangles. These shapes can jump trusses too. The shapes concept can be expanded with individual lamp intensities. You can should get at least 3 looks using only 1 color. Add a second color and now you have 9 looks. Get the idea? You have dimmers - use 'em.
Every conceivable config was explored during the 80's, so nothing we do with PARS today is novel. But it is still valid. You may also begin to notice that many stunning looks were transfered to Moving Lights.
Search for photos of concert lighting from that era.
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Permalink Reply by Nook Schoenfeld on -
I would take a good look at how the various House of Blues venues set up their pars. They generally have some cool ways to spice up a 3 truss rig of 150 pars.
Things like a standard 30' x 20' box grid with smaller trusses or pipes pipes going from truss to truss. Lots of angles other than straight trusses can give you a more fuller looking rig.
I often hang par bars in ways different from the norm. ie. I will take a 6 lamp bar and hang it vertically down from the truss on 1 clamp. Giving yourself some torms. I will also take a bar and hang it on the front face of a truss, with 1 clamp on the top rail of the truss, and another on the bottom rail. Hang it at a 45 degree angle.
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Permalink Reply by Randell Gillespie on -
Not sure i really understand the problem ???
Not being snarky, just honest.
Hell, sometimes its nice to deal with just par cans (if there is a nice rig of them ..) and not hassle with every moving head/dmx fixture known to man for a day.
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Permalink Reply by Michael Demma on -
Re: Brent Frison's comment, are there any good websites or apps that have show a large range of complementary colors? One that specifically referenced gels would be great. I have only a few pars in the club where I do lights and I'm trying to find one, perfect, multi-use combo so I don't have to drag out the 15 foot ladder every time I go to work...
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